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« on: January 30, 2005, 18:36:07 PM »

Tdi Injector Pump Tweaking - the short guide.

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THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT THE ADJUSTMENTS ARE SAFE FOR YOUR ENGINE
IF YOU DO THESE ADJUSTMENTS THEY ARE DONE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
READ ALL OF THE INFORMATION BELOW BEFORE YOU START !

Remember - this will void any remaining warranty.     

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Much more detailed information is already out there on the net in various forms, but since i am doing this for a friend, i've put it on the web too.

Look in the technical section of LRE for a huge thread on it.
  I really recommend that you read that thread as it discusses a lot of the side effects ( esp EGT ).

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A short description of the pump

The 3 simple bits of the fuel pump you can adjust are:

1) The smoke screw
2) The diaphram and cone
3) The star wheel.

A description of each in short:

The smoke screw pre-presses down the diaphram slightly which tells the pump to deliver a little bit of extra fuel even without boost.

The diaphram and cone controls the ratio between boost pressure and associated fuel delivered.  A small pin ( which controls fuel ) slides against the side of the cone.  As the diaphram is pushed down,  the pin slides inwards against slope of the cone, and so more fuel gets delivered.  As you look at the profile of the cone, it has different slopes depending on which angle faces the pin.   So depending on its rotation, you can set which slope faces the pin, and so which ratio of fuel to boost pressure is delivered.

You can see the different slopes in this picture ( sorry its a little blurred )




The star wheel controls a spring which resists the diaphram being pushed down. So this preloads some resistance against the diaphram moving and so limits how much fuel is delivered until a certain boost pressure is reached.


What to look for when your adjusting the pump

Basically, you are increasing the fuel delivery across the range of the engine revs.   Its best to do changes 1 at a time to see what difference they make.   Once you have done a change, take the car out for a spin.   You should be trying to see if there is black puffs of smoke.  If there is, then its overfuelling.   If you get a light black haze, then thats not too bad.

You should look for smoke appearing as you push the accelerator when:

a) you pull away from a stand still, or pull away in a gear when the turbo is not working ( i.e. low revs )
b) as the turbo kicks in and stards to add boost
c) full boost ( full accleration at about 40mph in 4th gear )


If you do see black smoke, then back off your adjustment.   Overfuelling will drastically reduce your mpg.  In relality, I found the best balance was a little bit of extra power from before, but no smoke appearing atall and there was no noticable difference in mpg.


How to adjust each and what that adjustment does:

If you stand at the right hand wing of the car and look at the engine, the pump should be facing you with the pipes coming out to the left and the timing belt casing on the right.

On a 200tdi, there are 4 screws holding the top cap on.   The pipe coming from this cap goes to the turbo.  The pressured air pushes down the diaphram within the cap.  On a 300Tdi, there may also be a small black resisitor and wires sitting on top of the throttle cable arm.  This is used for the EGR system if you have it fitted.




The smoke screw is hidden under a small centre cap.  You can prise off the cap with some small screwdrivers - its fiddly.   Under that you should see an inner bolt / screw with a Torx head and and outer locking nut.  Loosen the locking nut to allow you to turn the inner smoke screw.

Turning the smoke screw:

Clockwise:  Will increase the amount of fuel delivered without boost. 
Anti-clockwise:  Will decrease the amount of fuel delivered without boost.

i'd try shorter turns first - say 180deg at a time, then once it starts smoking when you push the throttle at low revs and no smoke, then back it off again some to ensure now smoke.



When you remove the 4 screws and gently take off the cap, you are faced with the rubber diaphram and cone. 

BEFORE DOING ANYTHING mark the top of the metal disc with something permanent at the 12oclock position - i.e. pointing at the engine block at the top.  This is so you can return it to the way it was before if you make an arse of it.




If you gently remove the diaphram bit and look at the cone, you should see how it has different slopes on the cone at different sides  you'll see how turning this can affect the slope that the pin runs against.

From the average stock setup:

Clockwise will increase the fuel given under boost
Anti-clockwise will decrease the fuel given.

The common adjustment is 90deg.  Again check if its smokes as the turbo is working and it accelerates - if it does smoke, then back it off a little until it stop smoking.   90deg should see a noticable improvement.   You can push it further, but thats upto you.



Lastly, the star wheel.    If you take the diaphram out and look at the base of the area, you'll see a spring and a cogged wheel at the bottoms.   The cogged wheel is the star wheel. 





The spring is what the diaphram acts against.   Adjusting the start wheel affects how much pressure the spring puts against the diaphram and so how much the diaphram is allowed to move down as the turbo supplies boost pressure to the top of the diaphram.

Again, before you make any adjustments, mark the star wheel at 12oclock pointing to the engine block so you know its original position.

To adjust:

clockwise will lower the preload of the spring and allow the pump to deliver more fuel.
anti-clockwise will increase the spring preload and reduce the fuel delivery rate.

A common adjustment is 90deg clockwise.  As always check if its smoking under boost.


And thats it.   

The one which will probably make the most noticable and best difference is adjusting the diaphram.   I did a 90deg turn on a friends and he says he is highly delighted with the results.   Nothing else was adjusted.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2005, 15:35:16 PM »

Another guide on Outerlimits with the same sort of info and some alternative photos
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2005, 23:10:23 PM »

yeah - but mines better cause

a) the engine is dirty
b) there is a nice deposit of oil thats flowed down from the turbo onto the diaphram
c) i cant take close up piccies fer shite!

much more in keeping with the spirit of this place!

  lol lol lol
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2005, 16:34:24 PM »

Fisha.

I would just like to say thank you.  I already knew what to do, but I now have a superbly written and diagramed version to give to people who ask...

You sir, are a gentlemen of the finest calibre mi5

BTW this works well if you have a fuck off great Alisport intercooler like what I do...
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2005, 22:17:10 PM »

In that case Noni you may be able to answer this.

200Tdi with fuckoff intercooler and tweaked pump, will it outrun a Td5?
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2005, 14:40:29 PM »

And will someone do my 300tdi for me.

I'm bound to mess it up.  bang head
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2005, 15:07:34 PM »

And will someone do my 300tdi for me.

I'm bound to mess it up.




Ditto the above.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2005, 23:13:25 PM »

Millsy - you gang banger of Snow White you,

Did I see you in Time Bandits? mi7

Of course it will out accelerate a TD5!  Hell I can oppo lock the bloody thing in the dry on MT's without trying. Take into account an extra half tonne of armour/winch/shite

Top end is controlled by fear/sphincter control due to some what hap-hazzard handling but it will hold speed where a TD5 would start to lose it...

What is even better is the 36plusish to the gallon when driven sanely...

When you are next down here give it a go - I have a child seat you can borrow mi7
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2005, 14:47:54 PM »

Colin, Robin,

the 300Tdi is the same process - a few of the screws on the cap will be different, bur the moving parts are the same to look at.

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2005, 20:14:06 PM »

Did my 300 last weekend.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 22:24:54 PM »

Cheers Noni. If it wasn't the fact you are a off road maestro, I'd tell you to fuck off, but as you are joking and answered my question in between insults which are wearing a bit thin, I'll just say nice one and can you do mine when I fit a 200 please.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2005, 22:45:42 PM »



What is even better is the 36plusish to the gallon when driven sanely...



does tweaking the pump increase mpg??
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 23:35:05 PM »

Cheers Noni. If it wasn't the fact you are a off road maestro, I'd tell you to fuck off, but as you are joking and answered my question in between insults which are wearing a bit thin, I'll just say nice one and can you do mine when I fit a 200 please.

Insults!?  Moi?  Just friendly banter - next you will be accusing me of being bigoted against the vertically challenged!

You are short, I am old, fat and ugly  - such is life, we all have our cross to bare; look at Keef for example.

When you come down, me and Fruity will have a tweek - fit a boost guage tho'.  Then we will go out and drink some beer and be very silly.  If El Lund gets his house sorted, we can go round and say things like "Fuck me Steve, you look like that bloke off Stargate" until he gets really pissed off. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2005, 23:40:57 PM »

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"Fuck me Steve, you look like that bloke off Stargate"

 mi7 mi7 mi7 nice one!
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2005, 17:13:20 PM »

When you come down, me and Fruity will have a tweek

Which roughly translates as I'll do the tweaking and "is nibbs" will throw in the odd comment, fart and drink coffee whilst passing the time of day etc.

..................................oh, hi Dave  neener
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2005, 20:12:26 PM »

That's the big difference between the Working Class and The Ruling Class.  I was born to Rule and you were born to oik mi2

Now get back in that garage neener
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2005, 05:28:45 AM »

 hi fisha . good article . pictures make life easy . i have a 98 tdi which has been tweaked by the previous owner . goes great except off turbo in 1st and 2nd gear . from your article i figure all i have to do is adjust the smoke screw . fairly carefully since the pump has already been adjusted ,and leave the other settings alone .    thanks   
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2006, 12:35:46 PM »

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Sod that this topic needs to be put in the saved subjects..... Took me some finding but must I say cheers don. That must a taken some writing...lol.

Also the guy that asked about MPG there are 2 answers to that yes it can help your MPG but in theory NO. If you have more power you dont need to stamp on the pedal to get up them there big hills so ya saving fuel.

But in practice you have done ya fuel tweak and you hit the loud pedal to see and feel the baby go.....yehhaaa....

Nice one fisha good write up.....cheers

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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2006, 14:22:49 PM »

I would agree that this isindeed one of those threads that deserves to bearchived rather than to fade into oblivion.
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2006, 16:47:48 PM »

Agreed . It should be kept rather than culled .
I still need to do these adjustments . My 300 is feeling rather pathetic in 4th on a bit of a hill . Fucking panels resonating til the thing picks up a bit of speed . People in front of me slow me down , 3rd is too revvy and 4th is struggling a bit i wish the cunts would just break the speed limit a little .
Or i could do the adjustments so 4th isn't a struggle anymore . Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2006, 17:43:26 PM »

When I adjusted my 200tdi Disco it went like stink, does not seem to have the same effect on my 200tdi Defender though Huh
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2006, 16:50:25 PM »

Sounds like you have a leak somwhere like the intercooler or the pipes to and from it....
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2007, 15:15:00 PM »

I amd doing this on my 300tdi. When I unscrew the metal plate to get to the diaphragm and try to move it, the entire inside seems to come out with it whereas on the photos it doesn't. Before I go and break something...is this because the metal plate is stuck to the rubber or what? Is the smoke screw locknut meant to be removed before trying this? Sorry for the dumb questions but I never played around with a pump and always took too much notice of the 'take to an expert' in all the workshop manuals...
If the rubber is stuck, any easy way to unstick without ruining it?

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2007, 22:56:38 PM »

not 100% of what your asking, but i'll clarify the bits as best i can:

the smoke screw and its associated lock-nut is all part of the top section of the pump.    When you remove the top of the pump with the 4 screws , you will have removed the smoke screw as well , as the smoke screw sits under that little cap arrowed. 

when you take the top off, the nut you then see in the middle of the rubber diaphram ( as in the 3rd pic ) just seems to hold the rubber onto the plunger pin.  there is nothing to adjust with that nut.   you just have to turn the diaphram and the centre nut and plunger pin underneath will turn too.   

when you lift out the rubber diaphram, you lift it all out as one piece.    you dont undo the centre nut holding the rubber diaphram either , the plunger pin will come out with it ( as shown as the bit i'm holding in the 1st pic ).   

when you lift the diaphram and pin out, you'll probably find that the spring that sits on top of the star wheel will just fall over/off.    The spring is not bolted / held . . . it just sits in the groove of the star wheel and is clamped in place by metal disc on the underside of the diaphram. 



does that help?
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2007, 07:01:17 AM »

Yes it helps a lot but the thing that nags me is that when I take the top off with the smoke screw, the entire inside including diaphragm comes out. I can't get to the second picture with the rubber sitting in place and the metal top on one side. I am assuming the rubber is stuck to the metal top after having been bolted in place for years. Is the rubber reasonably tough? In other words, can I work it loose from the metal top without causing any damage?

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